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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Dec 1, 2009 4:12pm
Forum: texts Subject: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

1. I am all for freedom of speech (which you seem to be against.... odd). Labeling things "hatespeech" and wanting them to go away because you do not like them while arguing for preserving some child molester's work is a bit hypocrytical, no? Don't you think raping a child is violating their constitutional rights? Isn't attacking someone on the basis of age a hate crime?

2. You're a bigot for assuming anything about me, as is typical of those who throw around baseless accusations of racism and bigotry to rally sympathy to their cause... all the while claiming to be tolerant and inclusive... yeah right.

3. I saw someone praising someone who founded a group that exploits children for sex... about the worst crime imaginable and the cause of endless suffering and therapy sessions. Equating the RAPE of children by adults of ANY sexual orientation with gay rights or some noble activist author is an insult to parents, children and gay people. What the hell is wrong with you? I bet you think the homophobic, anti semitic, and european supremacist Che Guevara was a freedom fighter for "the people" too.

I run a netlabel collection here at the archive and have been a patron for years. I have contributed free music, images, video, text and software under creative commons and open source licenses. For you to presume to tell me to go somewhere else is laughable and I should not even reply to this.

I am about to be a father and groups like those above make me sick to my stomache. I don't care if jesus started the child sex cult, he would still be a pedophile even if he cured a million lepers and solved world hunger. It would never overshadow the grave depravity of molesting children.

Perhaps you do not have children or never had a family member or friend molested ... maybe you're just a douchebag, I don't know. I have tangled with bigger fish on here with much thinner skin and less control between the brain and tongue. I don't care who is gay or even who screws live light sockets for fun, but if you touch a kid, you have a serious problem.

I started thinking and I went back and read your older posts... you have stated in the past that child porn was illegal and were complaining about porn on here.... SO WHAT HAPPENED? Now you think people who speak out against sex crimes against kids are hatemongers?

I hope you can figure out what side of anything you are on in the future because like the last few times we interacted, you totally lost me. Logic is scrambling down the street like a 3 legged deaf dog on crack and he won't come back. Now back to your kiddie porn hero.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:05pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

Noise Collector,

I apologise, I got something wrong.

If you want to give Paedophiles a hard time, this Archive Forum is not the place for that.

I suggest you go and find a paedophilia website where such things will be seen by Paedophiles and appreciated more.

And there are other forms of forums to express yourself too.

Yes, paedophilia is a crime against humanity, but we are not here to criticise the content of uploaded books, or motives of members for uploading such books.

The archive is for preserving history, one day in the future when there is no more crime such as paedophilia, historians might wonder what it was all about.

Hitler was a criminal too, and he and his Nazis committed genocide against the Jewish race, some of that resulted in offenders being charged at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials and executed.

A lot of material about genocide is on the Archive, including horrifying video of the liberation of the concentration camps.

I am not aware of you finding this material and adding reviews about mass murderers.

I dont recall seeing any item you uploaded either.

It may be that you need to expand your interests, and go trawling other web sites, for discussions you can join into.

As for your full reply, later, when I have spare time, I will read it fully, to see if you have stronger dislike for paedophiles than I have. But to reiterate, the IA is not a place for such discussion, even if its just a half dozen words like in your first comment.

Peter

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Poster: dudeman5685 Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:11pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

There is nothing in the book about pedophilia per se.

Thorstad was one of the earliest gay liberation activists and founded NAMBLA in 1980, about seven years after he co-wrote this book.

He claimed that pederasty (homosexual pedophilia) was ALWAYS part of the gay liberation program and should be embraced by the gay community. "Mainstream" GLBT activist shunned him, but some earlier ones like Harry Hay and Allan Ginsburg came to NAMBLAs defense, saying pederasty was always part of gay culture and the people who were trying to "mainstreamize" the gay movement were sell outs.

I take no position on any of this. I didn't see any mention of pederasty in the book, or visual representations.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:20pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

I knew I disliked ginsberg for a reason...

I never attacked the book in question, I only questioned the gross reality of the group itself. It's an abomination and that's coming from an atheist.

I knew mainstream gay people make a point to distance themselves from child predators from reading the discussions on some of the films on the prelinger archives about the subject.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Dec 2, 2009 12:09am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

Dudeman

I only did a quick scan of that book, looking for dates, I noted somewhere words to the affect of

Man and Boy. In a relationship sense.

But then, that was part of the mistaken beliefs about homosexuals 50 years ago that 100% of homosexuals are paedophiles by nature.

Which is the reason its a good book for historians in the future, as that belief delayed gay rights.

It maybe true sometimes, but nothing near 100%

I believe the same percentage of homosexuals are also paedophiles as the percentage of heterosexuals are paedophiles.

What is worrying, it seems the more the secret comes out, the higher the percentage goes.

As for homosexual rights, okay, they got them, I suppose they have rights but DON'T come near me with any disgusting ideas or we will be a war.

How come I only know lesbians and not gay men? If you know a lesbian, ask them what they think about gay men.

They are not even at peace amongst themselves yet.

But, on the IA, I much rather relax, than discuss such things.

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Poster: dudeman5685 Date: Dec 2, 2009 8:47am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

This is the infamous film, Boys beware

http://www.archive.org/details/boys_beware

It was produced for teens in the US in the early 1960s and presents the classical "homosexuals are all pederasts" argument.

The irony is that Thorstad and Hays believed the exact same thing, except for them it was a good thing.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Dec 2, 2009 9:28pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

thanks

I think I came across that video once. One problem I have, is I got to read all local NZ abuse news reports, plus other news, which I can link together in my head, I am looking for small items, which might lead me towards reports about abuses in the psyche hospital systems, where the hospital, or provider is not identified. But, its about staff and management, I am concerned with. heaps of bad apples there. One patient was just discovered to have been in seclusion for SIX years (solitary confinement)the ombudsmen had him moved to a different facility and he is okay. The hospitals have to report every year, last report said one hospital had a person in seclusion for 365 days, nobody including me thought about that, but the hospital only had to report for the year, and not total accumulated time in seclusion. There are several back ups, to prevent it, they all failed. The facility in question, has not been named.

Anyway, did you know that counsellors, psycholigests treating abused kids (even as grown up adults) themselves MUST have counselling in order not to go insane with what they hear? Its a condition of being allowed to practice.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Dec 2, 2009 11:54pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3120726/Man-shot-son-over-child-sex-admission

you might want to check that out

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:09pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

No offense, but I think you are out of your mind... search my name and you will find around 400 items here in all media formats... none of which have anything to do with liberating concentration camps or

I never saw pedophile spelled with an a but then you add a "u" into color for some reason as well. Must be a british fetish... but anyway... at least you did not call me noise maker this time!

I think I accept your apology... I was not attacking you and I am glad we are on the same page about child rapists... I believe.

This site has many functions, a library, a cache of web pages a film archive and open source music like netlabels and a live music archive. You may have noticed that 99% of all posts on the front page are from a deadhead forum also...

Anyway... I should be sleeping.

Good night...

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Dec 1, 2009 11:56pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Pedophilia is not gay rights... it's a hate crime

Sorry too.

I am in NZ, and I try for UK English spell check but MS Word refuses, only locks onto USA English.

As for THOSE people, I am suffering overload on those news items from NZ, but about 4 years ago, I had a useful business contact, until the day he resigned suddenly from his firm. It took a while to find out, but when he got caught with his niece, by law, he had to leave that company, because part of the companies role was to transport intellectually handicapped kids.

I am still spewing about it, but, its unlikely he had contact with the kids, as he was in a management role.

He had done some favours for me, in return, I let him know about possible transport contracts he could go after, but they were all for capable adults.

The guys replacement, is miles better, does the same business favours, but gets almost nothing in return, because of my poor health.

The point is, you never know, it could be the guy sitting next to you, in the coffee shop.

Peter

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